• Most unreliable car ever made. My buddy had one just like this, even though I told him not to, he bought it and spent $8K keeping it on the road in just one year.

  • Cory, you've really gotten to the essence of DT with this post. With every car we see where the "I'd drive that" indicator lights up, we all do an analysis of likely costs of operation and maintenance over time. In the most general terms, our expectations are:

    – new-ish = cost of consumables, but heavy depreciation
    – not so new = higher cost to repair sacrificial parts, not interesting enough yet
    – bottom of the depreciation curve = interesting to us, CFO frowns, risk of expensive repairs
    – "vintage" = either junk or we are probably too late

    The thing that lets some of us buy cars at all is the low entry price of DTs, and the thing that lets us buy another one is if we are correct/lucky that it didn't end up costing what this HSE will obviously cost to keep running.

    The sweet spot is if we can buy one that's been someone's cherished and maintained "modern classic", with all the big costs re-invested, and not interesting enough to be overpriced. Or if CFlo ever touched it.

    I went looking for a graph that would show the above and I found this one. I think it's a pretty good match. It's for a Honda van, but still.
    [image src=" www-math.bgsu.edu/~zirbel/carcosts/Odyssey180000_2000_10000.png" width="500px"/]
    The link to the rest of the analysis is /www-math.bgsu.edu/~zirbel/carcosts/index.html

    • If that graph also took into account the immediate depreciation once the car is driven off the dealer's lot that curve would start at a much higher initial point.

      As much as we like oddball / fast / rare cars here – our "new" daily driver, a recently purchased mint condition grandmother owned '99 Legacy wagon with 70k miles for $3500 has shoved our cost per mile down to levels that encourage the addition to our fleet of other much less sensible project vehicles.

    • You’re right, that particular graph shows only spending, not depreciation. There are some other analyses and graphs out there, but what this one did that I liked a lot was a careful mathematical smoothing in order to reveal an underlying curve showing distinct, familiar, generalized stages. Depreciation adds a dimension to the story, for sure, but also makes it harder to explain and intuitively grasp. It’s the kind of paper I would really enjoy co-authoring with a qualified stats geek, you know, once I make a dent in my to-do list.

      Now if you’ll excuse me I have weatherstripping to install on the front door, a dental cleaning to get to, and training wheels to remove from the Hello Kitty bike.

    • I like this, wish we had them for all cars! My 1989 Saab Turbo Convertible with 110k has not exactly been free to operate, but then again my entry cost was only $2,250. I've probably put a little more than what I paid for it into it over five years – a set of used Saab wheels and tires, brake rotors and pads, stainless brake lines, misc other repairs. It'll need new tires next year. But still that's averaging maybe $600 a year for a car I paid cash for. Including the purchase price, that's about $1,000 a year over five years. Not bad. My 2012 Sienna is far and away more dependable, but it was $30,000 used w/12k miles so I have yet to hit the point of needing to replace much of anything beyond tires. Now about that used Mercedes SLK320 I just saw on CL…

  • Ha! I'm reading this in Somers, NY. Visiting my old home town. Go Tuskers.

  • Clicked to see what else is available in the area, and the first one (12:26 am EST) is a Phaeton…

    • Ah yes – the car where VW management forgot their company name meant "car for the common man", even though they have the benefit of being native German speakers.

  • Odd that DT is so model selective for the high cost of ownership warning. The '98 BMW 528 a few entries back is described with " — and a 6-speed late model BMW is just about perfect for daily driver use." No warning there! KL

  • If you know how to work on a BMW M62 V8 (and a lot of us do), there's not much to be scared about on this car. All the quirks are well documented.

    Now if you take your car to the indy mechanic every time a light comes on, well yeah, this car will break you, but I didn't think may of us who frequent DT fall in that category.

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