• at the time these came out, people thought they were UFOs – at least, that's my recollection – hadn't been many non-exotics quite that smooth, flat and rounded-off before (or had there? 1982 Audi 5000 – what else?) – then again, i remember when the first jelly bean T-Bird came out in 1983 and it was like something from the Jetsons – and when they used the first rounded 1986 Taurus in the original Robocop, made in 1987 and set in 2043

      i'll agree with you on this particular one, the squashed suspension and ooky teal are not helping

    • I'm not sure I understand your point, Kaibeezy. Are you saying that folks in the late 90s had never seen something so futuristic from a domestic automaker? Because that particular tradition dates back to the Motorama days – spectacularly. Here's one example that millions of people got to see:

      1951 Chrysler Ghia Concept
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      If you're talking 1997 specifically, I would argue that every domestic automaker had cars that utilized all of the design elements you mentioned. The "jelly bean" was trendy, in a major way. Here's a great example, but certainly not unique in the design language of the time:

      1997 Oldsmobile Aurora
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    • futuristic but doodad-y –> slippery minimalist soap bar

      mark viii came out in 92, was the smoothest car yet, as best i can recall, and, yes, the others were sliding that way as quickly as they could follow the trend

    • Correct me if I'm wrong; what you're saying is a clean, less detailed and aerodynamic shape? What about the Chrysler Airflow from the 30s? What I think you're saying is an interesting point. But what I contend is that by the time the Mark VIII rolled around, that shape and smooth detailing was, in fact, old hat at that point. I would use the lack of tremendous interest on the part of buyers would only seem to support that.

    • Right – not saying it's a beauty – only that within that first few years after the weird jelly bean t-bird appeared, this one was noticeable *at the time* for being especially smooth and UFO-like – time has not been especially kind to it, I agree

    • The Mark VIII shared much of its platform with the '89 Thunderbird/Cougar, and that car was rumored to have missed its weight targets by so much that people were fired over it. Cannot confirm that.

      The problem with the MN12/FN10 platform is that they didn't do a sedan. A dozen or more LS400s went out of the showroom for every SC300/SC400 Toyota sold, yet Ford was…

      hee hee…


      selling…oh, my God….have you ever seen…

      hee hahahahaha…

      that '88 Continental?


      A catastrophic joke of a car, One hundred forty raging horsepower, capable of flinging the nose of the air-suspended Continental toward the heavens – well, faster than it could fling the car down the road. A car for those elderly who thought those damn Buicks were just too fast.

      And, when it came time to replace that POS, Ford came up with…another Taurus-based Continental!

      This time, they figured what the world really needed was a four-cam mod-motor spinning the front wheels. Their competitive myopia was incapable of considering anyone further afield than, say, the crew in Lansing making effectively the same mistake.

      You could argue Ford's STILL screwing that same chicken with the present Lincoln range, the first last and only Lincoln worthy of the brand since the Mark III, the only Lincoln that's ever been competitive in any form with the furriners, was the LS, and that got shot down as too expensive to build a decade ago.

    • Those are good points, mrkwong. Two things occur to me, reading this particular post. The first is that design is basically all about lines and curves. Whichever is in at the time, will go out and return sooner or later. But we always go through these stages where most car design is all about the smooth, wind-cheating sleekness and the other stage where everything seems to be about razor edged squareness. It has a very ying/yang, masculine/feminine, cyclical pattern to it, I think.

      The other thing that comes to mind is the lost opportunity that Ford had with PAG. The LS you mentioned was a good example, as the DEW was developed and shared with Jag. As you insinuated above, most folks know that Lincoln's line of cars are just rebadged Fords. I believed, ultimately, nobody really cares about that. I think, in Lincoln's case, buyers still percieve the brand and cars as stodgy and Ford doesn't seem to be able to figure out a way around that. And yet they seem to keep struggling on instead of doing the sensible thing of (sorry, Lincoln fans) killing the nameplate off, just as GM did so unceremoniously with its seemingly less than profitable brands (that's a whole 'nother conversation).

      It's an interesting conundrum that the car world has faced since the beginning; how do you create a luxury brand from an existing brand (or, in the case of Lincoln, bring it up to a level it hasn't been for a long time)? The (not so) simple answer, in my opinion, is that you have to create an all new one (Lexus) or pour money into an old one that has an established heritage (Lincoln's heritage doesn't work today, that's clear). That last option would seem optimal to most enthusiasts that I've spoken to. And yet, that task seems to have been pretty much impossible.

      Imagine if Ford had chosen instead to end Lincoln and bring Jaguar up to truly modern standards (and combine it with Land Rover, in the process – but that's just my idea and I'm sure nobody agrees with me). That would have been an interesting scenario. Would it have worked? Looking back historically…no. Which is a bummer, because I still think it's a grand idea. Jag has such a rich history and it seems to me that it would be easy to take advantage of.

      Case in point; DT, DTers and most enthusiasts that I know cringe at the thought of the Lincoln MKZ. Fine, we/they are absolutely entitled to their opinions. The truth is, we actually know a thing about this topic. Forget that. Blindfold the "everyday" person, put them in a loaded loaded, AWD turbo Black Label and have them drive it for a week. Unless they just don't like sedans or need a minivan or something, they will absolutely fall in love with it. Seriously. I've seen it happen several times. It's weird, I know. Nearly inconceivable. But they'll like it so much that they'll scrape up the cough gag choke over $50 grand(!) to buy the thing (assuming they can afford it). Unless they're badge snobs (and, really, who isn't – at least 50% or more of the buying public don't see anything past the badge on the front…MB and Audi, anyone?)…and there's pretty much nothing that can be done about that. I would suggest that the current MKZ would have made one heck of an X-type.

      Opportunities lost.

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  • I agree with Sean Scott. This is actually a very good looking car in person. From what I've read, the headlights and the suspension on these can be jaw-droppingly expensive to fix and hard to source parts for. The best of the four pointed-star coupes was the Spring Feature, with only 117 made. I considered buying one once and kept coming back to this conclusion, instead:

    Lexus SC400
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  • I'm sure the DT staff saw this car for sale on eBay, too. But this one might interest some of the other readers, as it did me: 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC "Terminator Series"

    • That one is good looking as well. The only thing that threw me off was the 3rd picture. You catch more you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. They should try something w/o a mullet next time.

  • These things are a little on the porky side and that version of the 4.6 wasn't exactly a torque monster but with the 3.73 gears it'd probably work okay. You've got to deal with the air suspension, and perhaps the biggest problem with ownership of any aging Ford product except perhaps a Mustang or an F150 is that parts availability is awful.

  • I don't have much of an opinion on this car (other than it's not for me), but I do recall in the mid-90's, I was driving a friend's 2nd gen Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX in an area that isn't far from (and has similar roads to) the Tail of the Dragon in TN. I came up behind one of these on a particularly curvy stretch, and the driver did his best to lose me. I still remember the look on the driver's face when I passed him on a short RV overtaking lane and then left him far behind…..had to be heck of a blow for the owner of a car that Motor Trend was pumping as pure performance, to get killed by a car costing half the price.

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